15 comments on “White Negro Communities: Too White To Be Black And Too Black To Be White

  1. Jon,
    As I read what Yvonne said about her great aunt moving to Memphis, this was my Grandmother Necia Abigail Knight, she indeed was a great seamstress, as was my mother. I only remember bits an pieces about my grandmother, but she was still sewing for her rich women when we would go and visit her. My Uncle Irving worked at a Cleaners. I am in contact with Yvonne, hope to meet with her and the end of the month. Another bit of information ,Yvonne’s Mother-in-Law and I worked with each other in Greenville, MS and I never knew who she was. She one of the sweetest people I have worked with. I have enjoyed reading your article.

  2. Janet,
    It was so wonderful reading your emails and I’m glad you enjoyed my columns. But I am most pleased that I can connect you with a couple of people who can ably assist you in your search. Both Yvonne Bivins and Vikki Bynum will be thrilled to hear of your journey and your desire to put together the pieces where ever they lead.

    I was born and raised in Jones County but not related (as far as i know) to the Knight family. I just got the bug when I read Vikki Bynum’s wonderful book, The Free State of Jones: Mississippi’s Longest Civil War. Her blog is http://renegadesouth.wordpress.com/

    I remember Yvonne speaking about Necia at length and Vikki knows more about Piney Woods ancestry than anyone I’ve ever met. I’m copying them both on your emails. As y’all share stories, I hope you will copy me on your emails. This is fascinating!

    I’ll pass along your posts to Yvonne and Vikki.

    Jon

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  4. I deeply agree with the title of this article. At times, I feel resentment for being light skinned by both whites and blacks. It’s a terrible feeling that I hope will disappear. I feel like both judge me as I should be a certain way. My black friends call me “white washed.” I feel as though my education is somehow to blame. I think as a minority, they would congratulate me for not being a stereotype- that I dont speak or act how black women are perceived.
    I just recently have become engrossed with my family’s history. My family also comes from the Newton/Rachel line. I would love to get in contact with Yvonne. I was hoping to find out Rachel’s parents’ names and add onto my family tree. I would also love to hear more history about the Knights and how they came about.

  5. This message is for Malia, regarding a comment she posted Oct 26,2010. Please have her to email me at dmksoso1@gmail.com. I can give her more information about the New/Rachel Connection

  6. Maybe to eliminate prejudice – because let’s face it – money has no prejudice – so if you are a multi millionaire you don’t need to worry. It’s only the rest of us working class schmucks who need to worry and experience prejudice. I want it to be like Warren Beatty says it should be in the movie Bulworth, “Everybody’s gotta keep fucking everyone else till we’re all one color.” I guess the point is people will find something else to pick on others about – which is just as the rich like it; keep us all fighting with each other while the wealthiest on the planet have their way with us.

  7. There is really no fairness in having black-identified mixed-race whites like Yvonne speak for white-identified multiracial whites. No one can “look white” and be “black.”

    A.D. Powell, former columnist for the web sites “Interracial Voice” and “The Multiracial Activist,” is the author of “Passing” for Who You Really Are: Essays in Support of Multiracial Whiteness. http://www.amazon.com/Passing-Who-You-Really-Are/dp/0939479222/ref=pd_cp_b_3

  8. There is no such thing as “looking white” while being “black.” People who present themselves as such are only confirming the myth of white racial purity.

  9. i have distant relatives from the Kelly Settlement so this is great information.

  10. Warner, I so glad this is helpful. The Kelly Settlement has a fascinating history, one not readily explicable by simplistic racial historical understanding.

  11. As I have only lived on Monroe Road, (Kelly Settlement) for eight months, I have become so infactuated with the history of the community. Ms Yvonne and Mrs Pie (Anita) lives across the street from my husband Steve and me. I started searching for information on the history and ran across this interview. My thoughts were, “why didn’t I just scroll on across the street or down the street to the Dahmers and ask from the start?” I really enjoyed the story, Thank you!!!

  12. Karen, what a fascinating area you live in. I”m sure I only scratched the surface, so keep me updated on your new discoveries!

  13. .
    There is actually no such thing as a so-called “Light-Skinned
    Black” person … but rather … such individuals and groups
    are actually people who are of a ‘Multi-Generational
    Multiracially-Mixed’ (MGM-Mixed) Lineage that some may
    have been pressured or encouraged to ignore or downplay.
    .
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4160
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    People of Mixed-Race lineage should NOT feel pressured to
    ‘identify’ according to any standards other than one’s own.
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    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4157
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    The legal -application of the racist-’One-Drop Rule’
    (ODR) was banned in the U.S. way back in 1967.
    .
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4162
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    http://www.facebook.com/groups/253286018082418/permalink/253341891410164
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    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4187
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    http://www.facebook.com/groups/253286018082418/permalink/253341281410225
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    Listed below are related Links of ‘the facts’ of the histories
    of various Mixed-Race populations found within the U.S.:
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    There is no proof that a ‘color-based slave hierarchy’
    (or that ‘color-based social-networks’) ever existed
    as common entities — within the continental U.S.
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    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4154
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    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4153
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    It was the ‘Rule of Matriliny (ROM) — [a.k.a. 'The Rule of Partus'
    (ROP)] — and NOT the racist-’One-Drop Rule’ (ODR) — that was
    used to ‘create more enslaved people’ on the continental U.S.
    .
    This is because the chattel-slavery system that was
    once found on the antebellum-era, continental U.S.
    was NOT “color-based” (i.e. “racial”) — but rather
    – it was actually “mother-based” (i.e. ‘matrilineal’).
    .
    http://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/309460495741441
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    There were many ways (and not solely the sexual assault
    and sexual exploitation of the women-of-color) in which
    ‘white’ lineage entered the familial bloodlines of
    enslaved-people found on the continental U.S.
    .
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4238
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    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4239
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    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4240
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    An ‘Ethnic’ category is NOT the
    same thing as a “Race” category:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4236
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    http://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/300777016632181
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    Other Topics:
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    https://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/279223868853420
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    https://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/164203590359746
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    http://www.facebook.com/notes/%C2%ADallpeople-gifts/the-facts-on-m%C2%ADixed-race/321878451159708
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